Journalist Helen Lewis and columnist Ezra Klein discuss the bleak online perception of modern masculinity. They analyze how right-wing figures use terms like 'virtue' to disguise a lack of moral and civic responsibility.

Why does the modern, online vision of masculinity feel so “deeply depressing”? In conversation with the journalist Helen Lewis, the Opinion columnist Ezra Klein explains how leading right-wing figures weaponize the word “virtue” to mask a lack of moral and civic obligation.